tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8045159115886627661.post7059709610368837495..comments2023-12-12T23:24:34.830-08:00Comments on 'In the Company of Strangers' - Negotiating the parameters of Indeterminacy; a study of the Roaming: Purchase in encounters through, or despite Indeterminacy?Wild Swimming Hearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04422973770773339028noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8045159115886627661.post-39923040317542358192008-03-28T16:40:00.000-07:002008-03-28T16:40:00.000-07:00Hi Idiom, Thanks for that follow-up.Through the fo...Hi Idiom, Thanks for that follow-up.<BR/><BR/>Through the founders of the Human Givens approach you present a compelling argument for keeping on the move! There is much to recommend movement for its own sake but also to stave off the insidious creep of atrophy which occurs through lack of use in any given muscle/state. The 'use it or lose it'law (although I do not fully subscribe to it). <BR/><BR/>Yes, perhaps we are actually being 'looked after' through the governance of indeterminacy? Perhaps as a condition to which we have no choice but to experience, it keeps us on the move, reflexive, adaptable and responsive to ever-changing vistas of physics, perceptions and emotions. <BR/><BR/>Thanks again. I will revisit this in my 2008 posting.Wild Swimming Hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04422973770773339028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8045159115886627661.post-88019405750531857162008-03-28T15:22:00.000-07:002008-03-28T15:22:00.000-07:00My last comment was descriptive of my internal pro...My last comment was descriptive of my internal process of reaction and then acceptance of indeterminacy. I have come to find that it is an honest state which those that are empathetic might find disturbing because it suggests a level of non-presence (or more simply of being distracted). But I agree that it is in fact not possible, nor in fact desirable, to maintain conscious presence limitlessly! Unless you are wholly committed to this pursuit to the seclusion of all else, such as a Zen Buddhist, Tibetan Buddhist or other such religious practitioner. As a functioning human it is in fact important for our mental health to experience periods of time where we are not fully conscious but allow our unconscious to 'take over', so to speak (see the Human Givens approach; the work of Earnest Rossi, Milton Erickson, Michael Yapko etc).<BR/><BR/>To qualify my assertion about the brain evolving due to movement I provide this quote:<BR/>'This ancient natural human desire, the quest to understand (to find meaning), originally grew out of primitive creatures' evolving ability to move independently. Indeed, movement is fundamental to the very existence of brains, which developed primarily to control movement, to predict the outcomes of movement and remember the result of past movements. Plants, by contrast, never evolved brains since they did not need to do this. (there is a tiny marine creature called a sea squirt which, in the earlier part of its life, swims around like a tadpole. It has a brain and a nerve cord to control its movements. But, when it matures, it attaches itself to a rock and stay in one place like a plant. Thereupon it digests its own brain and nerve cord because it no longer has a use for them'. Griffin, J. & Tyrrell, I. (2004). Human Givens – A new approach to emotional health and clear thinking. Human Givens Publishing, UK, pp.6.Fionnabhairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18096267193849111418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8045159115886627661.post-21059095827969911752008-03-27T20:31:00.000-07:002008-03-27T20:31:00.000-07:00Hi Idiom, I imagine that you are right in your sup...Hi Idiom, I imagine that you are right in your supposition that the level of indeterminacy changes from moment to moment. As yet, I have not been able to tell. <BR/><BR/>I know what you mean about not liking the idea that we are not fully engaged when we like to think that we should be. Actually, how often can we truthfully say that we are comprehensively engaged with someone in a meeting on the street? <BR/><BR/>To me the idea of indeterminacy (manifesting in particular, as a subliminal movement away from engagement), colouring our lives in various forms is quite compelling. I am interested in indeterminacy as a notion which can be perceived not as a negative, so much as simply a state or condition within which we function and respond accordingly. <BR/><BR/>It is 'normal'and can be said to occupy a place in that tide of movement within which we pause in moments of purchase - eg: meetings and engagements with people.<BR/><BR/>I am interested in your assertion which states that '...the brain evolved from a desire/need to move...'. Could you say more on this?<BR/><BR/>Thanks IdiomWild Swimming Hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04422973770773339028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8045159115886627661.post-52282975785664849992008-03-27T00:40:00.000-07:002008-03-27T00:40:00.000-07:00Many people would feel uncomfortable with the conc...Many people would feel uncomfortable with the concept that they are already leaving an encounter during the encounter. I imagine that this indeterminacy changes day to day and possibly hour to hour depending on how we 'are' as a holistic being. There is a part of me that initially bridles against the idea of indeterminacy. There is also a part of me that understands that as an organism we are more like a multi functional processor than a homunculi with a central processor - this part of me isn't so concerned because it allows us to be present with those that we encounter with some part of us, while other parts are already walking down the road choosing what to have for dinner or preparing an essay or deciding what to wear to that wedding on the weekend. <BR/><BR/>I know this is a very simple response to your intense and in depth thinking but I feel compelled to share these thoughts...<BR/><BR/>It is interesting to remember that the brain evolved from a desire/need to move... perhaps we are very rarely, if ever, still... even when we appear to be physically still and present we continue to think ahead or backward into the past...Fionnabhairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18096267193849111418noreply@blogger.com